Dougle_turbo Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Andrea Frasky said: 373BHP that's just impossible. Dyno Dynamics they are normally very accurate therefore this can't be true. If it was on a DynoJet I would believe it.....sorry Dougle! You're welcome to come a experience it on track, it's seriously quick. In a straight line the car is faster than a PDK 981 S in sport chrono, and it leaves other 987s for dead. Next outing is Brands Hatch on the 14th (evening session), it's a riot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle_turbo Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, Andrea Frasky said: 373BHP that's just impossible. Dyno Dynamics they are normally very accurate therefore this can't be true. If it was on a DynoJet I would believe it.....sorry Dougle! P.s I certainly didn't fake the graph. DMS automotive are very well thought of, and very experienced in tuning Porsches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dougle_turbo said: You're welcome to come a experience it on track, it's seriously quick. In a straight line the car is faster than a PDK 981 S in sport chrono, and it leaves other 987s for dead. Next outing is Brands Hatch on the 14th (evening session), it's a riot! Mine's not far off at all in terms of numbers so I know what you are talking about really. But gaining 53BHP with a map, headers and IPD just isn't real. And sorry but it's all down to the corrections on those numbers really. NOW, that said, your car looks awesome and indeed must be freaking quick! If you go to Caffeine&Machine again let me know as I live around the corner! For the track I still need to wait unfortunately mate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liongolfer Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 15 hours ago, Dougle_turbo said: You jumped from 245 to 373?! Even with stage 3 turbo back and software, I didn't get that much of an increase out my Audi. What other hardware mods did you add? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craiglm68 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Soo.....re DMS, I have a similar story. Gen 1 CS with aftermarket air filter and Carnewal (no headers), visited DMS, they did their thing and the attached (hope the PDF shows) was produced.....this is a "multiplier" derived number. Using 1.15, this equates to circa 312hp at the wheels. The gents at DMS did suggest that the engine was a peach (no doubt they say that to all the boys?!), and was performing above spec before the remap (as many do apparently). I was a little dubious, but my "Butt Dyno" registered a difference, so I was happy. As a sense check, I put the car on Regal Autosport's rolling road a few months after the remap. The 3 runs returned 311-313 hp at the wheels....which using 1.15, equates near as dammit to DMS's "gross" numbers. Not sure I can be rsed trying a 3rd dyno to verify these earlier two 🙂 0062_001.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Liongolfer said: You jumped from 245 to 373?! Even with stage 3 turbo back and software, I didn't get that much of an increase out my Audi. What other hardware mods did you add? The 245 is the base 2.7 Gen1. The graph here it's about a GEN2 Cayman S.....you just got confused LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Craiglm68 said: Soo.....re DMS, I have a similar story. Gen 1 CS with aftermarket air filter and Carnewal (no headers), visited DMS, they did their thing and the attached (hope the PDF shows) was produced.....this is a "multiplier" derived number. Using 1.15, this equates to circa 312hp at the wheels. The gents at DMS did suggest that the engine was a peach (no doubt they say that to all the boys?!), and was performing above spec before the remap (as many do apparently). I was a little dubious, but my "Butt Dyno" registered a difference, so I was happy. As a sense check, I put the car on Regal Autosport's rolling road a few months after the remap. The 3 runs returned 311-313 hp at the wheels....which using 1.15, equates near as dammit to DMS's "gross" numbers. Not sure I can be rsed trying a 3rd dyno to verify these earlier two 🙂 0062_001.pdf 165.75 kB · 2 downloads So basically without headers and no IPD you got 312 at the wheels! LOL That means at the crank your gen1 was producing roughly 350/60 which it's simply impossible....it's beyond me how people believe some numbers and get fooled by tuners....sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jcm987 Posted July 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2019 This is why I didn't ask to see the dyno print out from Parr and just measured it by how the throttle response felt and the top speed before and after on track. Too little HP I would have been disappointed and said 'more please', too many HP I would of said 'calm down it's a gen1 it will blow up!' 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle_turbo Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 53 minutes ago, Andrea Frasky said: So basically without headers and no IPD you got 312 at the wheels! LOL That means at the crank your gen1 was producing roughly 350/60 which it's simply impossible....it's beyond me how people believe some numbers and get fooled by tuners....sorry. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion, but to suggest that others are 'being fooled' is a little rude to be honest. We all know multipliers are in play here so there is some room for error but no one is fooling anyone, just reporting back the best data they can. If Craig has had the car dynoed twice on different dynos with a similar outcome, why is he being foolish? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, Dougle_turbo said: You're obviously entitled to your own opinion, but to suggest that others are 'being fooled' is a little rude to be honest. We all know multipliers are in play here so there is some room for error but no one is fooling anyone, just reporting back the best data they can. If Craig has had the car dynoed twice on different dynos with a similar outcome, why is he being foolish? because all tuners fool the same way (actually %). A GEN1 with all the mods hardly reaches 340bhp, where one with just an aftermarket filter and a half decent catback apparently makes 360bhp......oh well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle_turbo Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 44 minutes ago, Andrea Frasky said: because all tuners fool the same way (actually %). A GEN1 with all the mods hardly reaches 340bhp, where one with just an aftermarket filter and a half decent catback apparently makes 360bhp......oh well.... Sure, point out that its unlikely and be sceptical. But don't be surprised if people find that rude. If all dynos are wrong, how do you know that a Gen 1 can make 340bhp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craiglm68 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 This is fun! Lies, damn lies and statistics?! Bugger it; my gen 1 makes the same outputs as a Veyron, and I'll be damned if anyone tells me different! 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founder Popular Post Beanoir™ Posted July 23, 2019 Founder Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2019 The only map I use is the AA UK & Europe 2003 - makes me a lot faster in traffic 😁 Fook all use on track days mind... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle_turbo Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Craiglm68 said: This is fun! Lies, damn lies and statistics?! Bugger it; my gen 1 makes the same outputs as a Veyron, and I'll be damned if anyone tells me different! 🙂 Veyrons only make 600hp, the dyno is fixed. 😜 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle_turbo Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Craiglm68 said: This is fun! Lies, damn lies and statistics?! Bugger it; my gen 1 makes the same outputs as a Veyron, and I'll be damned if anyone tells me different! 🙂 Veyrons only make 600hp, the dyno is fixed. 😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle_turbo Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Beanoir said: The only map I use is the AA UK & Europe 2003 - makes me a lot faster in traffic 😁 Fook all use on track days mind... 2003! Sounds like you need a firmware update Nick! 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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