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I've just noticed that those photos make it look incredibly low at the front. It is quite low (probably exaggerated by the camber it's currently running) but not scraping the floor like it looks. The gravel at that place is higher where the front is, it's also very deep

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It does look low at the front, like the wheels actually up in the arch 🤔😮

 

Thanks for posting the photos. 
 

Do you know your new geo settings?

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2' toe at the front, 2 degrees 15 minutes camber (i'll bring this back to under 2 in the next few months), 5' toe in the rear with 1.6 degrees of camber. 

 

The front camber makes the wheel look 'tucked' but it actually isn't that low. 

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4 minutes ago, Beanoir™ said:

How did you manage to get that much camber on the front??

I have powerflex camber bushes (they came as part of a kit) which push the coffin arms out. They're actually really good... I just wasn't expecting that much when I told them to "max out the front." 

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12 hours ago, Windymiller said:

It does look low at the front, like the wheels actually up in the arch 🤔😮

 

Thanks for posting the photos. 
 

Do you know your new geo settings?

Using a bit of trig, I've worked out that the front 'looks' 15-20mm lower than it actually is.its a bit of an optical illusion but this should give you an idea on what it'd look like without the camber (I assumed 0.75 degrees as my baseline) 

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There's something going on re ride height and the front axle of these cars. 

 

An R definitely isn't that low and definitely doesn't have that much rake. I had problems with my 987.1 and Eibach lowering springs that came with the B12 kit. The front axle was far, far too low. 

 

To me, this car with R springs looks too low up front (for R springs) and has too much rake.

 

Does the R have the same front top mounts as the 'standard' 987 models?

 

What top mounts does your car have, Lenny?

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It has the standard top mounts. As mentioned though, it is running quite a lot (a little too much at the moment) camber on the front which will make the outer edge of the wheel look closer to the wheel arch edge. With normal camber (~0.75 degrees) the arch gap should look ~15mm higher on the front (so flipping it the other way, it currently *looks* as though it is lowered 20mm on the rear and 35mm on the front). The actual ride height shouldn't be any different (assuming minimal tyre deflection).

 

I'll dial the camber back to ~1.8 at some point. It'll still look a little lower on the front but not quite as extreme.

 

 

 

 

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Not totally convinced.

 

If you ignore the arches and just look at the sill gap, to my eye there's quite a bit of rake. As I said, I had my own issues in this area with my gen one and have seen plenty of other reports (mainly on Planet 9), so I personally think there's something going on and that your car is running more rake than an R and is probably lower up front.

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You might be right. I'll give it a few weeks and then tweak the camber and see what I think. Other than the added camber (and added LCA length) I can't think of anything that would cause it. 

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51 minutes ago, Lennym1984 said:

You might be right. I'll give it a few weeks and then tweak the camber and see what I think. Other than the added camber (and added LCA length) I can't think of anything that would cause it. 

Take the 25kg sack of spuds out the frunk... 😉😁👍🏻

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I'm looking at upgrading to r springs due to what should be a subtle drop. May end up changing to b4 or b6's now.

 

This guy on youtube has installed r spring on what looks like oem shocks and looks spot on.

This suggests the b8 shocks could be the issue if it does indeed look to low. 

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