Paul Chocks Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 This looks like a well loved car: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203173670979?advertising-location=at_cars&price-to=25000&postcode=Rg207bn&model=Cayman&page=2&price-from=22500&make=Porsche&include-delivery-option=on&sort=relevance&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian987 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Paul Chocks said: This looks like a well loved car: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203173670979?advertising-location=at_cars&price-to=25000&postcode=Rg207bn&model=Cayman&page=2&price-from=22500&make=Porsche&include-delivery-option=on&sort=relevance&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true Apart from what appears to be drilled holes to mount in a navigation unit in the chrono bit. Very odd don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chocks Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Julian987 said: Apart from what appears to be drilled holes to mount in a navigation unit in the chrono bit. Very odd don't you think? I don’t see any drilled holes and Ad says that he has stopwatch that can be reattached. No connection at all, just seems a genuine car, we’ll looked after and priced right. As someone else commented on another thread, most 987s seem very overpriced at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian987 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 well the nav unit seem to be attached to a back plate with drilled holes, and that must need to be attached firmly otherwise it'll just fly off.... so whilst we can't see for sure, i just find that Nav totally odd. They'd be better removing it and putting it back to how it was....as all it looks like is one is inheriting a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinF6 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) They've used the mounting location for the Chrono clock. No 'drilling' required, I wouldn't think anyway. That said, agree it looks odd having an ancient aftermarket nav perched on the dash and the seller would probably be well advised to return the car to standard. Car actually looks a little bit expensive to me at £23k and 80k-odd miles. There's a 48k mile example for £25k retail. There's also a private car with the same mileage up for £18.5k that's been for sale for some time and has not shifted: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202112300900767?year-from=2009&sort=price-desc&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&transmission=Manual&make=Porsche&include-delivery-option=on&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&postcode=ba12tx&year-to=2012&minimum-badge-engine-size=3.0&model=Cayman&page=2&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true If that can't find a home at £18.5k... Very few of the more expensive 987s are disappearing from the classifieds, currently. It feels like traders are digging in for spring and hoping the market comes to them. Maybe it will! But the more sensibly priced cars, like the £25k car on 50k miles that sold at Ashgoods in about three days, are shifting fast. This is also an interesting yardstick as you can actually see the selling price: https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2009-porsche-987-cayman 80K miles, £15k hammer, plus about £500 in fees. Classifieds also full of very expensive 2.9s. There's a private car up for £30k. How the seller came to that valuation I have no idea - there are lower mile retail cars available for less money. Anyway, what's weird is the huge spread in pricing. If you take, say, a 2.9 on 40k miles, cheapest on AT is £19k, most expensive is £29k. That's quite a difference. Anyway, am not entirely convinced there are a lot of buyers for near-£30k 2.9s, and the current lack fo turnover of stock seems to agree with that, but maybe I'll be proven wrong and they'll all sell in the next week or two! Edited March 20, 2022 by MartinF6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian987 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Soup of the day https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203133500796 admittedly not a Gen 2 but a rather special Gen 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc848 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) Planning to put mine up for sale soon, although struggling to find free time to get some good photos. It’s a 2010 987.2 Cayman S manual with a lot of goodies, full Porsche history, PSE, PCM3.0, Bose, Sports seats, Carrera Sport wheels, Interior design pack (no extended leather so unfortunately not for MartinF6). 56k miles at the moment - what do people think would be a sensible price to list it at? Edited March 23, 2022 by jc848 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinF6 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 This is probably a decent guide for your car in terms of current ads: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12965928 Long established dealer that does a lot of this type of car. Prices towards the higher end of retail. Fairly similar spec (trade PSE for extended leather etc), somewhat higher miles. I think they have actually put the price up from £27k to £28k recently, despite the fact it has been for sale for months not selling at £27k. I've seen a few other cars that have not been selling also increase in price. It's an odd market right now. More and more high priced cars being listed, few of them selling. Can only assume the expectation is for things to pick up as springs rolls in and the higher prices will stick. Obviously that's a retail price not a trade price. And it has been up for months and not sold. It will partly depend on how quickly you want to sell. I personally doubt you'd get many calls if listed at £27k or higher. Trade would probably offer you around £21k. That's your range, I would suggest. Towards the lower end, it's gone quickly. Upper end, could sit for a while. Probably doesn't help much, as it's a broad range. I suppose in terms of advertised price I'd say you're looking at £23k to £26k depending on how keen you are to make it happen fast. There's also this: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202111169617053 That car, incidentally, has been for sale for ages. £28k, 40k miles. Porsche warranty running into 2024, which for my money is very, very appealing. No buyer. If it had the ext leather, I'd actually be all over it myself on account of the warranty, which IMO gives better protection than you'd get buying from most traders. But it's been up for yonks, not selling. And this: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202112300900767 £18.5k, 87k miles. Again, been for sale for a long time. No buyer. There's probably something wrong with some of these cars that is preventing them from selling. But surely not with all of them. Most of the 3.4 Gen 2 manuals for sale right now have been advertised for higher prices for months without selling. One or two more 'sensibly' priced cars have sold pretty much immediately, like the 50k mile one at Dove House with Bose, ext leather, PASM, xenons that was up for either £26k or £27k. That went in about three days. Sadly just before I had decided to buy something! I realise most around here think the very high prices are real and maybe they are, but am personally less convinced. The advertised prices right now are escalating remarkably fast, but the stock does not seem to be turning over. I may have found something myself. Not perfect spec, but there are so few to choose from, compromises probably have to be made! Contrary to all that, I'm not actually all that price sensitive myself. I'd pay through the nose for the right spec and condition car if I had to! There's just so few to choose from, find myself observing the market in detail for a very long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinF6 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) RSJ have also just popped this up: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13135283 Not manual, but 65k miles for £30k. Not particularly good spec. I really don't get how they come to that valuation considering what's sitting on the market and not selling, but maybe it'll sell in a flash! There are a few high price cars that you can see selling. The MR Sports Cars one does have exceptionally high spec, so that at £33k may make sense, though being PDK I suspect the problem for that car is that if PDK is your thing, you'd be better off with a 981. Edited March 23, 2022 by MartinF6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc848 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Thanks for the help! Yeah the price ranges are quite wide, luckily I'm in no rush to sell as I haven't found a replacement yet. Will let people know once mine is up for sale and keen for feedback on whether I have priced it at the right level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinF6 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Yeah, I think it's hard to price these things right now, such a huge spread. For yours I think currently: Sell to trade: £19-19.5k WBAC actual transaction price depending on stone chips! £21k trade offer / part ex (to a specialist, general trade I think will usually pay the WBAC figure) Private sale: £22k phone rings off the hook and it's gone in a flash £23k probably sell very quickly £24k-26k may take a bit longer, may well sell at the top end, who really knows? £27k-plus probably a harder sell Bottom end of that private sale range would have been the top end for a private sale 18 months ago. So even bottom end isn't too bad. That's all selling on AT and PH classifieds etc. Things can be a bit different on a forum, perhaps, and the right 'enthusiast' car might make quite a bit over the general market to the right 'enthusiast' buyer. Obviously none of that is simple fact (well, the WBAC price is fact and easy to check, subtract a bit depending on cosmetic condition and gives you a good idea of what trade will pay as so many now seem to use it to price cars and maybe add a notional bit on top for part ex if you are lucky). Just what it looks like to me having been forced to watch the market while waiting for something suitable to turn up. I don't think the real transaction prices for these cars have gone up quite as much as the advertised prices, which have really leapt recently. But maybe with spring arriving, the number of buyer will increase and we'll see the higher priced stock start to turn over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_jdmr Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 hours ago, MartinF6 said: RSJ have also just popped this up: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13135283 Not manual, but 65k miles for £30k. Not particularly good spec. I really don't get how they come to that valuation considering what's sitting on the market and not selling, but maybe it'll sell in a flash! There are a few high price cars that you can see selling. The MR Sports Cars one does have exceptionally high spec, so that at £33k may make sense, though being PDK I suspect the problem for that car is that if PDK is your thing, you'd be better off with a 981. Your not getting a 981S with a top spec for anywhere near 33k right now unless it's on 80k+. Possibly get a base model with poor spec for that price but again wouldn't be low mileage. Some just want the 987 though and personally i think if you want a 987 then your certainly getting a top car for top money. If you want to pay less that's fine but you just have to be willing to forego some of your must have options. The 981 and the 987 market is similar in that there just isn't enough good, top spec cars around to be picky. If you want top spec it's gonna come at top dollar. These are the times we are in at the moment. The options are just buy what you want and forget whether you could have saved a few grand, or wait and see what happens next. No one really knows but with the chip shortage/oil price/global logistics i personally don't think anything will drop much. I think they'll level out and the way inflation is going it will create the illusion they have dropped in price when actually everything else has just risen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinF6 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, Neil_jdmr said: Your not getting a 981S with a top spec for anywhere near 33k right now unless it's on 80k+. Possibly get a base model with poor spec for that price but again wouldn't be low mileage. Demonstrably not accurate. https://www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/Porsche-Cayman-U3007 38k miles, PASM, Bose, xenons, PSE, extended leather. Sold by leading specialist Ashgood. Went this week. Not sure how much for but advertised price is £35,995. Manual obviously, but I can’t see much difference in valuations manual versus PDK on 981. I nearly took it myself but ultimately prefer 987 to drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_jdmr Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Fair enough! I did know it was going to be the bright yellow one with the stickers even just reading your reply. Like i said above though you certainly did demonstrate you can buy a 981s with low miles for a few grand over 33k, i retract my statement. Its certainly not a car i would even look twice at but i do appreciate we all like different things. Anyway good luck with your search and i'm sure the right car at the right price will come up for you soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinF6 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 There’s a private 981S in Bristol on 60k-something with good spec. Been for sale for ages on £35k. Might be something wrong with it, but it’s black with ext leather. I grant, Ashgood do tend to price to sell. Most traders would have that yellow one up over £40k. Would it sell for that much is the question. Yes, there aren’t many good spec cars around. But equally not that many people who actually want an ageing Porsche sports car with a fairly big NA engine that isn’t a 911. Caymans not as fashionable as 911s. Fortunately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyoz Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Pretty bad advert but it's got full leather and alot of potential if the seller would shave a bit off the price. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203053228472?onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&radius=1500&include-delivery-option=on&sort=price-desc&postcode=bt343su&advertising-location=at_cars&make=Porsche&model=Cayman&aggregatedTrim=987 S&page=2&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian987 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Andyoz said: Pretty bad advert but it's got full leather and alot of potential if the seller would shave a bit off the price. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203053228472?onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&radius=1500&include-delivery-option=on&sort=price-desc&postcode=bt343su&advertising-location=at_cars&make=Porsche&model=Cayman&aggregatedTrim=987 S&page=2&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true That is a nice one. I posted it on the other thread for the buyer looking for extended leather but I sensed the price didn't sit well with them on it. Its a bit spec lite, and I don't like the rims (nor size) but for the milage I'd say its a very good one. Looks cherished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian987 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 If any of you recall, a good thing to check are listings in the AutoTrader app listed under 'unlisted' - for when a seller hasn't set up the listing correctly and they don't get surfaced in results. That is how I found my R. I just checked and noticed this one... https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202202222812043?atmobcid=soc3 ....which has extended leather! ...but it is double the miles of the red one and more money, hence why that red one is a cracking deal all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinF6 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Have been in contact with the seller of the red one for a bit. Difficulty is location which is very far away from me and also from anywhere convenient to get it inspected. If buying privately, really need to get someone to have at least a quick sniff underneath! Nearest OPC taking bookings for early May (not my first choice for inspection, but idea was to get a warranty chucked on it if it's really clean, and then the quality of the inspection doesn't really matter at that point as you are pretty well covered). Am working on it. Purple one has been around for a bit. And is purple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian987 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 minute ago, MartinF6 said: Purple one has been around for a bit. And is purple! nice basalt black underneath it though could be reinstated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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