Tidy 987.2 for sale

[Alan W]

1 hour ago, Julian987 said:

 

Hiya.

Out of curiosity why the 2.9 rather than the S? Is it that the 2.9 can be pushed more?

 

 

 

 

I prefer subtle and understated theses days although, granted, there’s not much difference between the 2.9 and the 3.4S.  The 2.9 offers all that I need in my advancing years!  😉  Back in the day I’ve owned a new Escort RS2000, Mk1 GTi Golf, Clio Williams 1 (No. 399 of 400 built) and others including Lotus Elan Sprint FHC with Vegantune engine - if only I still had some of these cars today!  🙄

 

However, hope that helps and I’m grateful for your assistance.  👍

Edited August 7, 2022 by Alan W

[Julian987]

26 minutes ago, Alan W said:

 

I prefer subtle and understated theses days although, granted, there’s not much difference between the 2.9 and the 3.4S.  The 2.9 offers all that I need in my advancing years!  😉  Back in the day I’ve owned a new Escort RS2000, Mk1 GTi Golf, Clio Williams 1 (No. 399 of 400 built) and others including Lotus Elan Sprint FHC with Vegantune engine - if only I still had some of these cars today!  🙄

 

Hope that helps and I’m grateful for your assistance.  👍

 

I see, makes sense. Yep some of those cars you used to own have become sought after.

have you double checked the Cameron one as looking at their website it doesn't have reserved on it, nor sold,  unlike other listings. Could be the site is out of date but would be worth checking the sale went through or not, you never know.

 

 

[Alan W]

5 minutes ago, Julian987 said:

 

have you double checked the Cameron one as looking at their website it doesn't have reserved on it, nor sold,  unlike other listings. Could be the site is out of date but would be worth checking the sale went through or not, you never know.

 

 

 

Yes, on the website it still looks as though it is for sale but they called and confirmed it was sold, unfortunately.  🙁

 

 

[Julian987]

22 minutes ago, Alan W said:

 

Yes, on the website it still looks as though it is for sale but they called and confirmed it was sold, unfortunately.  🙁

 

 

 

deffo seeking PDK? as this manual ticks all boxes, pretty much. and has factory Sport design package with the R wing. 

 

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13638643

 

Edited August 7, 2022 by Julian987

[Alan W]

13 minutes ago, Julian987 said:

 

deffo seeking PDK? as this manual ticks all boxes, pretty much. and has factory Sport design package with the R wing. 

 

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13638643

 

 

Defo seeking PDK as my wife may occasionally want to drive it ................................... if I let her!  🙄

 

If I could've bought a manual I would have probably bought the car below that's not that far from me and still for sale after 5 or 6 weeks:

 

https://www.cowgatemotorcompany.co.uk/vehicle/porsche-cayman-24v-used-cars-in-dundee-scotland-1dee5f90-6a6d-4443-9cc1-07c05a5d154f 

[Julian987]

 

1 hour ago, Alan W said:

 

Defo seeking PDK as my wife may occasionally want to drive it ................................... if I let her!  🙄

 

If I could've bought a manual I would have probably bought the car below that's not that far from me and still for sale after 5 or 6 weeks:

 

https://www.cowgatemotorcompany.co.uk/vehicle/porsche-cayman-24v-used-cars-in-dundee-scotland-1dee5f90-6a6d-4443-9cc1-07c05a5d154f 

 

low miles on that huh. I think the other white one pips in on spec and still has comparatively low miles....but yep seems PDK it is then 😀

[Alan W]

14 minutes ago, Julian987 said:

 

 

low miles on that huh. I think the other white one pips in on spec and still has comparatively low miles....but yep seems PDK it is then 😀

 

I think it was the extended leather adding a touch of class to the interior that would sway me in favour of the Scottish car although the RPM car is a cracker as well and both have the desirable and stunning Spyder alloys!  😀

 

Just a pity they're both manual!  😢

[Julian987]

57 minutes ago, Alan W said:

 

I think it was the extended leather adding a touch of class to the interior that would sway me in favour of the Scottish car although the RPM car is a cracker as well and both have the desirable and stunning Spyder alloys!  😀

 

Just a pity they're both manual!  😢

 

i don't see extended leather on the Dundee car though?

[Alan W]

2 minutes ago, Julian987 said:

 

i don't see extended leather on the Dundee car though?

 

Yes, you're right - I'm getting confused with the Cameron car (it's an age thing! 😆). 

[wtaite01]

17 hours ago, Alan W said:

 

I prefer subtle and understated theses days although, granted, there’s not much difference between the 2.9 and the 3.4S.  The 2.9 offers all that I need in my advancing years!  😉  Back in the day I’ve owned a new Escort RS2000, Mk1 GTi Golf, Clio Williams 1 (No. 399 of 400 built) and others including Lotus Elan Sprint FHC with Vegantune engine - if only I still had some of these cars today!  🙄

 

However, hope that helps and I’m grateful for your assistance.  👍

Three key benefits to the 2.9 over the S (in my view) other than just being cheaper:
1. You can run OE 17" wheels (lighter, narrower: +suspension responsiveness, +steering feel, -rotational intertia, -grip)
2. Shorter gearing (1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th: top of 2nd is c.70 mph vs. c. 74 mph for the S)
3. Port injection (2.9) vs. direct injection (3.4): No expensive HPFP (expensive if it fails) and no need to worry about cleaning intake ports.

3.4 has many clear benefits too of course, most obviously +55PS peak hp and +70nm peak torque!

Edited August 8, 2022 by wtaite01

[MartinF6]

1. Is not a real-world advantage for the 2.9. You can run the 17s on the 3.4. I have 17s on my Gen 2 3.4 right now and have run them on a Gen 1 3.4 previously.

 

You just need 5mm spacers and 5mm longer bolts (not expensive) on the front to clear the callipers. If you prefer the 17s, no reason not to use them on the 3.4.

 

The gearing delta isn't terribly big, either, and smaller than the power and torque delta, so the 3.4 rips through the gears better. Speed limits not relevant. You're obliterating them revving either car out in third or fourth.

 

But agree re the DFI downsides, albeit I have had the inlet cleaned on a previous gen 2 3.4 (blasted with walnut media) and it only cost me £300. Realistically, you're not going to have to do that often, at most once every 50k miles and realistically not even that. So, that's not a big deal. HPFP I've also paid for and that stings, but at worst that's a once in your ownership thing.

[wtaite01]

Flipping heck, that must be lively! The 2.9 will happily break traction on the 17s in the dry under hard cornering, how do you find the 17s in the wet with the 3.4? I think my question is: how careful do you have to be?

 

As you say, you can certainly run them on the 3.4 if that's your preference (and I suspect it would likely be mine), they're just not OE spec.

 

Also agree that the shorter gearing is never going to make up for the torque delta, just softens the difference a little in 1st and 2nd.

[MartinF6]

Totally fine. You can still more or less pin the throttle almost everywhere except with loads of lock on. You do get access to a bit of nuance when you have a bit of lateral load, as you imply. But you would be surprised how binary you can be with the throttle. It's not like the 3.4 has double the torque.

 

It's fine in the wet, too. You can be pretty liberal in a straight line, just no totally binary, you do need to feed it in  a tiny bit, but that's just more involving. You don't need to be scared of the throttle at all, it'll take all of it most of the time even in the wet, you just have to be a tiny bit progressive with your inputs. If anything, it's less edgy than with the big, flat-section tyres so you have more confidence. Any break away is a bit more progressive and less something to be fearful of.

 

Having said all that, it's a bit weird that this latest car is more tolerable on big wheels than the last one. Both gen 2 3.4 with PASM. The 19s that came with this one are quite light (looked the number ups when I couldn't quite believe how well it rode in relative terms and it turns out the fronts are the same weight as the Spyder R wheels and the rears are only 100g heavier, so nothing really) which probably helps, but still. About to chuck the 19s back on again for a sense check.

Edited August 9, 2022 by MartinF6

[Alan W]

1 hour ago, MartinF6 said:

The 19s that came with this one are quite light (looked the number ups when I couldn't quite believe how well it rode in relative terms and it turns out the fronts are the same weight as the Spyder R wheels and the rears are only 100g heavier, so nothing really) which probably helps, but still. About to chuck the 19s back on again for a sense check.

 

What 19" wheels are they Martin?

 

Interested in how they compare when you've got the original wheels fitted again.

[Alan W]

The Black Cayman R that sold on Collecting Cars auction website for £43k plus fees (6%) last week has now appeared for sale at an outrageous £60k: 🙄

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208108652164?postcode=rg11ar&sort=datedesc&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&radius=1500&include-delivery-option=on&model=Cayman&make=Porsche&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true

 

I think this one could hang about for a while!  🤣

[MartinF6]

On 16/06/2022 at 23:24, MartinF6 said:

 

 

 

 

These ones. Think they are called 'Carrera S II'. Standard wheel on a 997.2 Carrera S, anyway...

 

And sorry, think it's the other way round. Rears are same weight as the Spyder / R wheel. Fronts are 100g heavier, each. Which is basically nothing.

 

I think it's actually possible that the wheel and tyre package weight with those can work out lower than than some of the 18-inch options. Though the 17s are going to be a fair bit lighter.

Edited August 11, 2022 by MartinF6

[Alan W]

You don't see many Silver (GT Silver?) Gen.2 cars and yours look nice.  👍

[Julian987]

soup of the day

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208108653608

 

from the same dealer as the insanely priced R, so could be trying it on a bit with this one too, but it sure looks in good order. 

[Julian987]

soup of the day

 

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13638741

 

 

[MartinF6]

Wasn't someone looking for a low mile 2.9PDK?

 

https://www.cameronsportscars.com/vehicle-details/used-porsche-cayman-987-2-9-gen-2-pdk-for-sale-in-chippenham-south-gloucestershire-u1352/