Shuey Chow Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 So I’m considering my next car at mo. Currently in a z4 coupe 3.0 which I absolutely love. But want to get something that’s a bit rarer or more powerful and better driving experience. Whats everyone’s thoughts on 987 design edition vs 987.2s? What’s more likely to hold their value long term 3 years+ assuming car is maintained immaculately? Which would you go for if the price for each was the same, and condition was in the 90th percentile, and why? Lastly does the 987 design edition still have issues with the IMS? Be great to hear people’s thoughts FYI, other cars I was considering (All manuals) M2 (OG) (but over priced at current market in my opinion) M4 F82 (OG) (hard to find manual) Z4M Coupe (highest tax bracket) Audi R8 V8 (to be honest - the running costs eliminate this from my shortlist) Budget at very most 30k but ideally want to spend 27k ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginginho Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Shuey Chow said: Whats everyone’s thoughts on 987 design edition vs 987.2s? What’s more likely to hold their value long term 3 years+ assuming car is maintained immaculately? Which would you go for if the price for each was the same, and condition was in the 90th percentile, and why? Lastly does the 987 design edition still have issues with the IMS? Depending upon the kind of G2 you are looking at, those cars will be in totally different ball parks; I've never seen a Design Edition for more than £20k. I should add that I probably haven't seen one since the prices spiked but I'd be surprised if a DE was valued above the low twenties. In terms of which to choose, you really need to see some. At £30k, the Black Edition is well within scope and that would be my preference if I was after a black 987 Cayman. Note that there are only eight manual BEs in the country. The Design Edition is late enough to generally be at less risk of IMS bearing failure but, as a Gen 1, would also have been a model at risk of bore score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_jdmr Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) Id probably also consider a 981 2.7 manual. Some nice examples do scrape under 30k and that's a lot of car for the money Watch the evo magazine test on the 2.7 manual, it's on YouTube or their site. It laps blyton against a 235i for comparison. Edited September 11, 2021 by Neil_jdmr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuey Chow Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, Ginginho said: Depending upon the kind of G2 you are looking at, those cars will be in totally different ball parks; I've never seen a Design Edition for more than £20k. I should add that I probably haven't seen one since the prices spiked but I'd be surprised if a DE was valued above the low twenties. In terms of which to choose, you really need to see some. At £30k, the Black Edition is well within scope and that would be my preference if I was after a black 987 Cayman. Note that there are only eight manual BEs in the country. The Design Edition is late enough to generally be at less risk of IMS bearing failure but, as a Gen 1, would also have been a model at risk of bore score. Yeh Gen 1 DE is a low mileage one going for £30k. Only 24k on the clock. The Gen 2 is on 40k going for 28k. Yeh didn’t consider the bore scoring thing. Definately prefer the gen 2 from a mechanical perspective. But like the idea of something limited edition. Black edition - I think I’ll end up waiting a very long time… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuey Chow Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 Yeh I defo want the 3.4 987.2 over a newer 2.7 981. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuey Chow Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 Anyone know how many manual 987.2S are in UK? Or were made globally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian987 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Shuey Chow said: Anyone know how many manual 987.2S are in UK? Or were made globally? https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/porsche_cayman_s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian987 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 +1 vote for the Black Edition. At your budget that is one to hunt out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuey Chow Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 Anyone on here that owns a black edition? At that budget, would kind of mileage would I be looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian987 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 probably between 25-40K miles...depends on options (on top of the baseline spec) as it won't be just down to mileage. They do come up, wait it out a few weeks. Then again, at £30K you are only 10% shy of an R. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuey Chow Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 Lol would love to get an R, but 30k is me stretching to the max - meaning it has be perfect in every way possible. Ideally I’d want to spend 25k-27k. but if 27k plus means I get something a bit more unique in the black edition… then will be defo stretching a bit further. im going to be putting miles on whatever I buy, and will be a long term ownership for me - probably 3-5years minimum. anyway let’s see what comes up - haven’t seen many low mileage gen 2 S’s for sale in Manual so I guess I just gotta be patient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_jdmr Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Shuey Chow said: Yeh I defo want the 3.4 987.2 over a newer 2.7 981. Understood, i only wanted the 3.4 also so i get that. There has been quite a few black edition 987.2s for sale over this past year all for around your budget. The problem is the huge increase in used car prices that happened this summer. I'm sure you will still get one but your gonna have to be quick off the blocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginginho Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 I actually had deposits on two Black Editions! The first a manual that PPI revealed to have a good amount of work heading it's way and the second a PDK that was excellent in every way other than my getting cold feet very late on about PDK. Had agreed prices of £28k and £27k respectively. I didn't really know what I really wanted at those times TBH ; I wanted a 987 CS and the BEs are the best value IMO. Then I viewed and fell in love with the Sport in Pure Orange and had to have one (which is why I say that you need to see some examples in the flesh). If a BE is the perfect car, I'd wait it out. Of the examples I watched over the summer, they weren't selling instantly but knowing now how many manuals there are in the UK, you'd obviously wasn't to act very quickly to secure one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginginho Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) I'd never pay £30k for a Design Edition btw; that sounds as overpriced as I've seen in nine months of watching 987 Cayman prices. I say that as a bloke who understands the need to pay a little extra to secure *your* perfect car Edited September 12, 2021 by Ginginho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Julian987 Posted September 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2021 I see that DE listing now https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202108286749592 I agree with Gininho, I'd never pay 30K for a DE. Have a frame by frame look at the video of it and it seems to have a significant amount of small chips on the bonnet, which I'd not expect considering the lower mileage. https://i.ibb.co/L5NfN24/Screenshot-2021-09-12-at-19-57-57.png https://i.ibb.co/CtTgVx3/Screenshot-2021-09-12-at-19-57-42.png Could not be chips, but either way, I reckon in person its not as great as you'd expect. The gear shifter and steering wheel Alcantara is shot. Yes it can be restored, but why haven't they done so with a £30K price tag. Gininho's Cayman S Sport is far nicer, as rare if not rarer, and cheaper. All they seem to have done is give it a wash and get arty with the carpet nap. The decals are lifting in some places and/or a bit aged poorly on the edges. At £30K you could buy the blue R. At 10% more you could get the red R. Or hold out for something better value as this DE is overpriced in my opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuey Chow Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 Sorry is there an R selling for 30k? Where’s that? thanks for the comments. Yeh i was kinda in the mindset of avoiding gen 1 completely anyway. But the DE was quite appealing. anyway I’m not sure now, had another look at a cayman s, and not too sure if it’ll fit my needs from a rear hatch space perspective (occasional small dog for road trips). however cayman r - if one of them became available at sub 30k… I would potentially jump on it, if mileage is reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian987 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Shuey Chow said: Sorry is there an R selling for 30k? Where’s that? thanks for the comments. Yeh i was kinda in the mindset of avoiding gen 1 completely anyway. But the DE was quite appealing. anyway I’m not sure now, had another look at a cayman s, and not too sure if it’ll fit my needs from a rear hatch space perspective (occasional small dog for road trips). however cayman r - if one of them became available at sub 30k… I would potentially jump on it, if mileage is reasonable https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202107195202050 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202107205229549 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuey Chow Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share Posted September 17, 2021 Ah ok, thanks. Yeh I’m looking at manual cars. Not interested in PDKs unfortunately. Or I’d jump on the blue one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginginho Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 If you've got rear hatch needs, you're definitely looking at the wrong car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuey Chow Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 Yeh I could do with a rear hatch, but to be honest for a cayman R, these sacrifices have to be made. What’s a reasonable price for a low mileage (20-40k miler) Cayman R Manual? Is £30k just way below value? Or if I wait would there be something that potentially comes up? Any manual cayman R owners - would you ever sell? And if so what would be the asking price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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