Tidy 987.2 for sale

[Ash131]

I love the car and your right seems a shame to sell, I’m in no rush to sell so who knows may have it for some time. The roads around me are fantastic for driving, wide open with no traffic unlike the built up city areas. 

[Andrea]

15 minutes ago, MartinF6 said:

 

 

PASM is a positive not a negative. So, it's a pity that the car doesn't have ext leather, because it has PASM!

 

And I am afraid you are incorrect about the enjoyment. Have owned three 987s, two with ext leather, one without. I sourced a dash and door cards for the one without and had them fitted. I sourced the absolute best possible quality bits I could find, but they still had some marks and broken attachment points and afterwards there were a few squeaks / rattles. It just doesn't make sense to do it, in my experience. And I really, really didn't like the cabin without it.

 

For you, no doubt it's different. But I am sure that I could find something that would spoil the car for you but that I wouldn't be bothered about. That's just how it goes.

 

Oh and you'll get bugger all money for a non-leather dash. The leather ones don't sell fast, either!

 

Oh I get the "pity" comment now sorry. Well it's personal for sure and yes there are thing that would spoil it for me and wouldn't bother you. I guess I was lucky so find a gem that I secured 5 minutes before being listed online! 

 

Well Martin, summer is around the corner! Hopefully you'll find something before then 🙌

[MartinF6]

2 hours ago, jc848 said:

 

That black one on Collecting cars was at Charles Ivey for a while last year, it had bucket seats at that time but looks like someone removed them!

 

 

Ah, makes sense. Was looking at the collecting car pictures and seats didn't look right. They look like the plastic / leatherette ones that come standard in a 987 S, but from the factory if you have extended leather then the seats are actually leather.

 

Most 987 S advertised with leather seats actually have leather-look plastic seats!

 

Were they Porsche buckets? If so, they fetch a crazy amount, so someone obviously extracting some money from the car!

[jc848]

The seats on that one are leather but not the sports plus seats with the hardbacks and extra bolstering. The buckets that were on it were aftermarket if I remember correctly (I looked at a lot of pics of that car because I was considering a wheel refurb in the same style)

[MartinF6]

1 hour ago, jc848 said:

The seats on that one are leather but not the sports plus seats with the hardbacks and extra bolstering. The buckets that were on it were aftermarket if I remember correctly (I looked at a lot of pics of that car because I was considering a wheel refurb in the same style)

 

I think they're almost certainly the standard 987 S seats, which is plastic. The standard seats in the Cayman S are actually plastic. Not the ones with the sort of alcantara-ish centre panels in the base 2.9/2.7. Common misconception that the standard seats in the S are leather, but they're plastic / leatherette / leather look. Those ones look like the standard plastic eats you get with an S. Same in the 981. Basic seats in the S are leather-look plastic but normally described / sold as leather.

 

If the car has extended leather, then the standard seats are actually leather. Not sure if you could get just the actually leather standard seats without the dash and doorcards. But I haven't noticed any S models with the plastic dash that have leather standard seats and have seen a lot over the years! The optional Sport seats are indeed actually leather.

 

So, just to grab a random example off the classifieds, these are plastic seats, not leather:

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202111169617053

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202112300900767

 

But these are actually leather:

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203053228472

 

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12965928

 

The look nearly identical at a glance / from a distance.

[jc848]

Wow I didn’t know that at all, definitely learnt something new and quite stingy from Porsche to skimp on leather. I can see why you would want to avoid plastic seats!

[Neil_jdmr]

The MR Sportcars black 987 sold today for the asking price. 

[Pretzel]

12 hours ago, Ash131 said:

Mine will be on the market soon , bought from Dovehouse in February and since done 200 miles. Simply don’t use it as it’s a 3rd car. 

I think thats the same car that I looked at while at Dovehouse, very tidy example.

[Julian987]

Love this Macadamia colour.

Not right for Martin, but for others looking that can get past the mileage its a lovely one.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/294920406763?hash=item44aaa046eb:g:U3YAAOSwSLViFPbH

Edited April 14, 2022 by Julian987

[Windymiller]

20 hours ago, MartinF6 said:

Incidentally, all I want is lowish miles, manual, ext leather.

 

 

What’s the driver (no pun intended) for the low miles requirement?  Will you be using it as a daily and therefore putting many more miles on it?

 

Or is it an anxiety that high miles 987s may bring problems?

 

Whilst there clearly are examples of low miles 987s still, at 10-13 years old now for a gen2 they’ll be becoming rarer to find. 
 

a friend of mine has a 147k miles MY2000 986 Bx and it is faultless. I think these cars are built to last, so long as they’re well cared for and maintained. 👍🏻

[MartinF6]

3 hours ago, Windymiller said:

What’s the driver (no pun intended) for the low miles requirement?  Will you be using it as a daily and therefore putting many more miles on it?

 

Mainly that. Will be my only car and it will be getting lots of miles. There are other issues like cabin wear and sun damage where a low mile will usually be better. Ditto quite a few other issues unless literally every suspension arm, all the dampers, the brake lines, rads, coolant pipes, clutch and flywheel etc etc have been replaced.

 

Obviously, not all low mile cars are great and the best higher mile car will be a better immediate prospect than a bad low miler. But, broadly, lower miles does usually mean better condition. And these cars do not improve as you add miles. I've taken one 987 from 40k miles to 110k miles, another from 40k to 80k and a third from 30k to 60k, so have a decent idea of what they are like re wear and tear and what work needs doing and when!

 

And even with the 9A1 lump, the bottom end is going to eventually go. Sure, you might get 250k miles before that happens, but you might only get 125k miles before the shells are knackered. I'd personally work on the assumption they may need doing at circa 150k. That doesn't leave a lot of margin if I buy a higher mile car and put 10-15k a year on it.

[vegan_porsche_driver]

On 14/04/2022 at 10:56, MartinF6 said:

Incidentally, all I want is lowish miles, manual, ext leather.

 

I tried to buy the red one that is still on Autotrader for £28k, but seller wouldn't take car for inspection (at my cost), seller said they were not sufficiently 'fussed' about selling to do that. I offered to send specialist to inspect at his home which would have cost me £500, but didn't even get a reply. And we hadn't even talked about pricing, so am not sure what was going on with that one!

Maybe the problem was that you hadn't talked about pricing ...

 

Controversial topic are PPIs, there are different approaches out there. But for me (as per my ad for my car currently for sale!) I wouldn't let someone PPI the car until a price had been agreed. My time is valuable, even if you want to have someone come to my house I still have to wait in, so I want to know you're literally going to buy my car assuming the PPI is satisfactory.

 

This is how I would do it: go see the car, make your own assessment, make an offer, explaining it is subject to PPI. If offer accepted, then organise PPI. Once PPI complete, you either buy the car at the agreed price, or you don't. As a seller, that's the only way I'd do it.

 

Otherwise you get your time wasted by having to go through PPIs for people to then make silly offers based on "oh that will need a new back box in a year" or "ooh that suspension will need replacing in my ownership" etc

 

Also, as a seller, I would price the time taken for the PPI into my asking price. For example, if someone wants to PPI the car that's fine, but I'd want nigh on the asking price to cover the hassle. If someone offered me less, but to drive away today no PPI (that's their decision, I don't care) then I'd be more inclined to accept, as it saves me hassle and I value my time highly.

 

I wouldn't have much time for someone who rang me talking about a PPI without even seeing the car. That's asking me to expend my time, with no guarantee I'm going to get anything for it, and with them expending zero of their own time! Not saying I'm right, just offering you an explanation. You can use this information to your advantage going forward in respect of your buying strategy, or you can ignore it, makes no difference to me...!

[MartinF6]

When I first spoke with vendor, I had said we would need to agree a price prior to the inspection, for very obvious reasons - there is no point in spending £500 on an inspection only to find a deal can't be struck. My point re price is that I had made no attempt to beat him down on price - ie he wasn't reluctant because I had pushed him to agree on a price he wasn't really comfortable with. When we spoke, without me bringing up pricing he immediately said he'd take £26,500, which I would have been fine with. But we didn't actually agree on anything.

 

The car is 5h and 9m away according to Google maps. So, 10 hours round trip. I'm right in the very bottom of England, car is just below the border to Scotland. This I explained so vendor knew I couldn't just pop by for a viewing. It's the first thing I said, to explain why I had to try to get things arranged at distance rather than having a quick look first. What should my buying strategy have been, in your view?

 

You would think also common sense to understand that sending a specialist to someone's home to inspect a car is a costly affair and unlikely to be the MO of a tyre-kicker. Expensive way to go about not buying cars. You do understand that PPIs actually cost money, right? I am surprised that you seem to be implying that a PPI would make you less likely to negotiate on price as if it's some kind of time wasting tactic / easy way out when in fact it's a costly process any buyer would rather avoid if the condition of the car could more cheaply be assessed another way. 

 

Car is still for sale, at least it is still advertised. It has been on AT for quite some time now, I think a couple of months. No doubt due to my buying strategy!

 

Anyway, what would you have done? Driven the 10 hours and then asked if the vendor would allow an inspection?

[vegan_porsche_driver]

1 hour ago, MartinF6 said:

When I first spoke with vendor, I had said we would need to agree a price prior to the inspection, for very obvious reasons - there is no point in spending £500 on an inspection only to find a deal can't be struck. My point re price is that I had made no attempt to beat him down on price - ie he wasn't reluctant because I had pushed him to agree on a price he wasn't really comfortable with. When we spoke, without me bringing up pricing he immediately said he'd take £26,500, which I would have been fine with. But we didn't actually agree on anything.

 

The car is 5h and 9m away according to Google maps. So, 10 hours round trip. I'm right in the very bottom of England, car is just below the border to Scotland. This I explained so vendor knew I couldn't just pop by for a viewing. It's the first thing I said, to explain why I had to try to get things arranged at distance rather than having a quick look first. What should my buying strategy have been, in your view?

 

You would think also common sense to understand that sending a specialist to someone's home to inspect a car is a costly affair and unlikely to be the MO of a tyre-kicker. Expensive way to go about not buying cars. You do understand that PPIs actually cost money, right? I am surprised that you seem to be implying that a PPI would make you less likely to negotiate on price as if it's some kind of time wasting tactic / easy way out when in fact it's a costly process any buyer would rather avoid if the condition of the car could more cheaply be assessed another way. 

 

Car is still for sale, at least it is still advertised. It has been on AT for quite some time now, I think a couple of months. No doubt due to my buying strategy!

 

Anyway, what would you have done? Driven the 10 hours and then asked if the vendor would allow an inspection?

No that all sounds fair, it's just that you said that you hadn't even discussed price, when it now seems price had actually been discussed, so... Yeah, hopefully you can see why I misunderstood the situation you were describing

 

There are defo tyre kickers that pay for PPIs tho. Tend to be people who have a real fixed idea in their minds. Or the same kind of people that put deposits down on new car orders and then change their minds, either dreamers who like to play the game but can't actually back up the cheque, or people with too much money and time to ever actually make a decision (there's always something better round the corner in their mind, so they can't commit). I have a friend who is one of these, he's exactly who I'm thinking of when I say I wouldn't discuss PPI before fixing price.

 

But it sounds like you explained stuff quite reasonably, I'd work with that. It's just not what you initially described...

[Julian987]

Soup of the day.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13264830

 

With extended leather! 

Not insane miles. Sports Exhaust, and PASM.

 

 

[vegan_porsche_driver]

12 hours ago, Julian987 said:

Soup of the day.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13264830

 

With extended leather! 

Not insane miles. Sports Exhaust, and PASM.

 

 

That's a COC member's car, I forget whose... but defo belongs to someone on here. Andrea slagged him off for only doing 300 miles in it 😂😂

[Andrea]

4 minutes ago, vegan_porsche_driver said:

That's a COC member's car, I forget whose... but defo belongs to someone on here. Andrea slagged him off for only doing 300 miles in it 😂😂

 

Yep, he said he's selling it because the car doesn't get used yet in the ad it says "can part exchange for a Mini JCW" 

 

Oh well.....

 

EDIT: I actually said drive it more, as it makes sense to do so rather than selling it (personal opinion) or my question was why buying something if you know you won't be able to drive it (just being curios lol) 

Edited April 19, 2022 by Andrea

[Ash131]

Yes it’s mine, selling as we have a transit van which I use as I’m a builder and we have just swapped the wife’s Evoque for a Ford Ranger to take advantage of the 130% tax relief. The Ranger is massive for the wife to pop to wherever in but great for our other business so selling to buy a smaller car that we can both use but still get a buzz from. 

[Julian987]

Soup of the day

 

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13265898

 

with some lovely features AND extended leather. Thats two in two days for Martin...or everyone for that matter.

 

This white one is very very nice in my opinion.

 

 

[MartinF6]

The white one has been Barried and something weird is going on as it has the plastic dash top but seemingly extended leather door cards. Clearly not the ext leather dash top:

 

 

The bits either side of the infotainment are ext leather, but you can swap those bits in about five mins.

 

Either it's had the dash top replaced, or they swapped in the other bits and not the dash top. Hard to see. Looks like the glove box is plastic, too. The door cards may have been retrimmed etc, there's not a clear view of them. Not for me, anyway, way too many bits glued to it!

 

The silver one is great. I would love to buy it!

Edited April 19, 2022 by MartinF6